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CPT FA-Lance       Posted: 18:22:00 on 02-17-2006
This message edited by FA-Lance. 2006-02-17 18:23:00
The Florida Senate may soon pass a bill that will make it illegal to own or use an Airsoft in the State of Florida.

Here is the bill: sb1490

Bradley Winston of Winston & Clark P.A. in Plantation, FL has taken a step to retain one of the NRA’s lobbyists, Rick Watson to fight this bill from making its way to the books as it stands presently. At least $10,000 is required to pay for the lobbyist's fees.

Bradley is a member of the South East Airsoft Legion, a member of Florida Airsoft, as well as a Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer. He has been successful in getting the “Switchblade Law” in Florida changed years ago by working with Rick Watson.

Presently, donations are needed to retain the lobbyist to fight on our behalf. Bradley is collecting donations thru Paypal at wins5900@bellsouth.net Please mark the donations “Lobbing Donation – Airsoft”. Remember, at least $10,000 is required for airsoft to have even a fighting chance. Everyone should pitch in whatever they can to make this happen!

We urge all airsoft hobbyists in the State of Florida, as well as abroad to donate as much as they can. For airsofters in other parts of the country, think about how fast something like this in your home state will pass if Florida has already banned it.

Please spread the word and let other people know what's going on - be sure to contact your favorite airsoft retailer as well, as this effects them as well.

Also, for the voting public in the State of Florida, we urge you to contact your districts State Representative, and mail them a letter letting them know you do not agree with this bill as it stands, and you are a registered voter.

Now is the time we as a whole need to come together.

 

SA Gunstar       Posted: 18:39:00 on 02-17-2006
I posted it on the ASR forum

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.p...

 

SA Gunstar       Posted: 19:02:00 on 02-17-2006
I've also contacted the moderator on ASR to see if he can place this link on the main page of that site.

 

CPL SGT Jones       Posted: 23:30:00 on 02-17-2006
Sample letter:

This is the draft of my letter to my state senator:

Senator Bennett,

I am a resident of Ellenton, Florida. I am a former soldier, with 10 years of service in the Army and the Army National Guard. I have been to two operational (ie, combat) deployments, Bosnia (Operation Joint Endeavor-IFOR) in 1995 and Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom-Iraq Survey Group) in 2004. I have a soldier's love for our democracy and I also have a soldier's reluctance to "meddle in the political process." A bill appearing before the senate has come to my attention has compelled me to speak out.

I am writing you today to discuss SB1490 which would make possession, sale or use of an imitation firearm a misdemeanor. I was motivated to write to you because this bill criminalizes a sport which I have come to enjoy, specifically airsoft. Airsoft is a sport not unlike paintball, in which teams play against each others using replica firearms. The replicas fire 6mm plastic pellets with a lower total force on impact than a paintball gun, making airsoft "safer" to some extent (this is relevant as paintball guns are specifically excluded from SB1490, as well as traditional BB and pellet guns which are considerably more dangerous). The firearms are realistic in appearance, and that seems to be where the controversy stems from. Because all imitation firearms do appear real, there are concerns regarding their possession by minors or their potential use to commit crimes; however, Florida statute already makes their unsupervised use by minors (and sale to minors) illegal, and provides criminal penalties for anyone using a replica firearm in the commission of a crime. My suggestion would be that more effort be put toward enforcing the existing law rather than criminalizing a hobby that I and many other law abiding Floridians enjoy.

We have a serious problem in this country and it is NOT airsoft guns. It is the fact that minors can pretty much do whatever they please and there are no consequences for their parents or guardians. If the senate must consider legislation on this topic, I propose it consider legislation to hold parents accountable for the criminal conduct of minor children who still reside with them. Until we address the issue of parental responsibility and supervision at the root of the problem we will continue to see the tragic consequences of adults who have failed to do an adequate job supervising their children. Any time we have police officers intervening in a situation involving a minor the FIRST question we should ask is, "What could the parents have done to prevent this," not the last. By passing this legislation as it stands you will only affirm that those who take their responsibilities to their children and our community the least seriously will continue to have their voices heard over those of us who are responsible and try to do the right thing. This legislation will affirm that parents are indeed NOT responsible for the conduct of their children and that the state must intervene. The by product will be the criminalization of a harmless sporting activity that I and many other Floridians enjoy. I respectfully request that you either move to ammend SB1490 to exclude airsoft guns along with paintball guns or vote against this legislation.

Thank you for your consideration,
David K. Jones

Should any of you need assistance identifying who your State Senator is, you can find out here:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Legislators/index.cf...

 

Prv alex_frenier       Posted: 00:51:00 on 02-18-2006
im a airsofter in denver colorado
my name is alex and i want to help a fellow airsoft team
how can i help

 

PV absolut0       Posted: 07:47:00 on 02-18-2006
I would love to donate to brad's fund, but right now i'm a student with no income (i feel bad!).

However, I am a registered voter, so i will be writing a letter over the weekend to help do my part. Good luck with the fund, i'm sorry i don't have anything to send right now ><

 

2LT SPOOK       Posted: 08:44:00 on 02-18-2006
This message edited by SPOOK. 2006-02-18 08:45:00
Any idea how much time we have to prepare to fight this? I know this stems from the shooting of a 16 year old who was in (illegal) possession of airsoft pistol.

Spook

Nice letter Mr. Jones

As a Navy and Army Guard Vet as well as a current Deputy Sheriff, I will follow up with a letter as well.

 

SN Brigator       Posted: 09:01:00 on 02-18-2006
This message edited by Brigator. 2006-02-18 09:01:00
I am on board. I would like to propose a idea of a fundraiser. Have FA games that have a increase cost to play. Then donate the money to the "Save Airsoft Fund." That way people could save airsoft by playing airsoft.

-Just my two cents
Brian

ps. I will write a letter too.

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 09:34:00 on 02-18-2006
Dave, hats off to you! Excellent letter! I wish I were a registered voter...

Alex, thanks a lot for your help and interest! Right now, the only way I see in which out of state airsorfters or floridian unregistered voters could help , is to donate some money as the first post on this thread. I already did.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 09:56:00 on 02-18-2006
at this point iti doesnt matter that the kid was shot with a bb gun and not and airsoft..

this shit really sux

 

CPT FA-Joey       Posted: 10:08:00 on 02-18-2006
Great job Dave, I'm gonna use your letter as a template, if you don't mind.

Spook: in the bill, section 3, line 28 says: "Section 3. This act shall take effect October 1, 2006."

 

PV Renegade       Posted: 10:11:00 on 02-18-2006
Retailers of airsoft have the most to loose from this bill. We could loose our hobby, but they well loose their JOB. Most of us order from retailers outside of Florida, and think about how much they would loose if the florida market was cut. The least everyone should do is write to their favorite retailer. Send a few emails explaining the situation. Provide links in your email to FA site and spread awareness.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 10:37:00 on 02-18-2006
im gonna use the letter as a template too..Guys this is some serious shit ,ive heard " this wont affect us, this doesnt apply to us ....BULLSHIT!!!"

ive posted to Brad about not having paypal, just to make sure before we start sending m/o's to him lets make sure its cool ..im sure it is..

Brad ,youve got my financial support on the way and my moral support right now...Bud please help us pull through this one and we'll all be in your debt..

to those who "who dont have any money to send " ive seen a post where some one sent 4$ if thats all youve got send it at this point Brad and his crew need every fuckin nickle they can get..

 

SSgt 23AI-CWall       Posted: 11:14:00 on 02-18-2006
im sure that if every1 sent 10$ that would go pretty far

 

PFC Gopblin       Posted: 11:30:00 on 02-18-2006
Ok, sent a bit, post how much you got guys and how much more u need. Which type of paypal payment do I use next time, the "fund transfer" thing with all the warnings about bank fees, or can we do like "payment for service"?

I'm not a voter (Green Card),so I guess no letters on my part.

Best wishes,
Daniel.

 

PV deathbyhollowpoint       Posted: 13:26:00 on 02-18-2006
guys, the Soft Air Depot in Ft. Lauderdale has started a petition.

their phone # is 954-229-0897
their address is 5437 North Federal Highway Fort Lauterdale, Fl 33308

 

Prv alex_frenier       Posted: 15:46:00 on 02-18-2006
i am talkin to all the people on colorado airsoft about helpin u other airsofters out
i have a idea if u want to do it so i need the head councl of fa to email me at www.no1_linkin_park_fan@yahoo.com
thanks hpoe to play with all of u some day

 

Prv alex_frenier       Posted: 15:48:00 on 02-18-2006
ivan email me and we can talk
i sent it to chris ask him for my email and me and u can talk

 

SR MAYDAY       Posted: 19:21:00 on 02-18-2006
I'm offering my proofreading services to anyone who wishes to submit a letter/email, who may not be sure of their spelling or grammar. PM me the text.

 

Sgt Tink       Posted: 00:01:00 on 02-19-2006
Whos contact information are we suppose give to our vendors if they wish to help?

 

Sgt Tink       Posted: 00:03:00 on 02-19-2006
Could somebody post a template for a letter to the vendors.

 

Sgt Tink       Posted: 00:16:00 on 02-19-2006
Since DV8 will be having a big game on 25 & 26 maybe, we should ask them to have a petition we can all sign at registration.

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 09:30:00 on 02-19-2006
This message edited by FA-Ivan. 2006-02-19 09:35:00
Food for the thought

(1) In this age of polymers (real) weapons not necessarily have to be finished in traditional colors. Matter of fact, you can have your gun finished in any color you want (I've seen pink AR-15's!)

(2) Criminals paint orange tips on their guns to fool the police to beleive they are toy guns. This has already happened in California and Arizona. I haven't found the links to those news yet, but I'll keep looking for them. Help on this will be welcome. So far the only piece of "news" I found is this:

"This RED-PAINTED, fully operational, .45-caliber Haskell semiautomatic pistol was recovered by two Pima Co. (AZ) Deputies after they conducted a high risk traffic stop. The suspect, who was wearing a red shirt and had red shoelaces refused to explain why the gun was painted red or if he was affiliated with a gang."

From: http://www.mnairsoft.org/newsafety.php (scroll down until you find...There is a picture of the gun)

It would be nice to have the input of any LEO on this.

ETA: One more link: http://www.observer-online.com/articles/2005...

 

CPT FA-Phillip       Posted: 10:50:00 on 02-19-2006
You know, I just wanted to ask how many of you out there have passed the Florida Bar?

Because from what it looks like we have several people well versed in the law.

Me, I haven't passed the bar, nor am I an attorney, but from what Snickers & Konatsu said I should still be fine, but then again I thought I read somewhere that a non-criminal violation would have a $500.00 fine.....

Well, lets see, I have my airsoft gun in public view, someone calls the polic eon me, the police come because I am brandishing a weapon in public. I do not have a permit because it is an airsoft gun = non-criminal violation = $500.00 fine.

What about those people that play in un-authorized areas (dumbasses). We had one person not to long ago pissed off because him & his friends play in a park, and the cops told them they couldn't although paintballers were allowed to stay. Next time the cops come, he can hit them with a trespassing violation, and a $500.00 fine.

But hell, check out what Ivan wrote, and do not think that the way things are going now, once this bill passes it will have another amendment to it hurting our sport.

Brad is an attorney and I'll take his advice.

If you do not feel the same way, please speak to your attorney and see what they have to say about your equipment and this bill.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 17:18:00 on 02-19-2006
This message edited by FA-Brad. 2006-02-19 17:29:00
Yes, a replica firearm will be removed from the definition if it has an orange tip. However, replicas (including orange tips) can not be bought or sold in FL unless for one of the enumerated permissive uses. The only one that comes close to skirmishing is "regulated" or "certified" sporting events or competitions. Since there is no such thing in Florida, we're out of business if the bill passes in its present form.

I have asked on several occasions to keep the discussion to support of defeating the bill, and not to "its not so bad if it passes". We'll worry about how to deal with it if it passes.

Any regulation of the sport at this point, especially a political public overreaction play because of an isolated incident, is BAD. It sets a dangerous precedent. In fact, I'd fight it myself if nobody supported it.

Its a shame that leaders of the airsoft community such as Snicker actually support regulation such as this, and defend the bill publicly, in the face of concerted effort by Florida airsofters to kill it.

Since Snicker felt it was appropriate to delete my posts on ASR asking for support of our efforts to kill the bill, I have deleted his posts here where he argues that "its not so bad if it passes" and insinuating that I have engaged in some improper characterization of the bill or its effect on airsoft in Florida or public policy in general.

Snicker, you have made a thread on ASR to discuss whether its really a bad bill which we should oppose or not. Please keep the discussion of that issue there.

The leadership of FA and SEAL have decided that this bill will be strongly opposed, and the discussion here will center on how we will do that. Please do not persist on debating whether to even oppose the bill here, or I will be forced to take further action.

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 18:39:00 on 02-19-2006
I was wondering about this clause and if it would protect us.

SB1490 1.3.c Use in a certified or regulated sporting event or competition.

I was mulling over what may constitute "Certified" and/or "Regulated". Then I read Brad's post, specifically "The only one that comes close to skirmishing is regulated or certified sporting events or competitions. Since there is no such thing in Florida, we're out of business if the bill passes in its present form." And now I understand why Brad is fanatical about defeating this bill.

We might think this will quash backyard skirmishing but Demo games will be protected. I doubt it. Consider this: what are the criteria for a game to be considered "regulated"? How does one get an event "certified"? If the State passes this bill and issues no event certifications, airsoft is done.

The power to regulate is the power to destroy. What if certification/regulation for an event were to include getting a one-time use event license? What if the license fee were $10,000? Think I'm setting up some ludicris examples? Look up the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/hemp/tax... Wanna toke up? It's perfectly legal, provided you follow the rules.

Brad, check your PayPal. I just sent you $100.

 

PV2 Goku       Posted: 19:25:00 on 02-19-2006
I would donate, but I want an assurance that if the lobbyist is not contacted (with appropriate evidence), that all who donated receive their money back.

While I don't see the imminent risk, I do agree with Caffeine that the power to regulate is the power to destroy. I'm interested in seeing where this matter leads.

 

2LT SPOOK       Posted: 07:42:00 on 02-20-2006
This message edited by SPOOK. 2006-02-20 07:43:00
Posted at AS-Retreat (Not directed towards any FA post)

I think some of you are being pretty harsh and suspicious of Falcon. I don't know if I have ever met him before (he looks familiar) at any games, I can tell you this. His intentions are pure. Do any of you have any clue how valuable he and his skills are to us? My God, many in the community see us and think that were a bunch of wierdo wannabes running around playing Army with toy guns...Here we have a well educated, experienced trial Attorney willing to fight for us so we can continue what many don't understand.
I'll admit, that my love for Lawyers leaves much to be desired. But he does his job and I do mine which brings me to "My Job."
I've been a Deputy Sheriff in Florida 16+ years and I'm currentley a Detective assigned to Intelligence/Homeland Security. I don't pretend to fully understand the legal definitions of this proposed bill. A majority of it is written so the lay person gets confused. I understand the jist of it and it's meaning. We will lose our sport PERIOD if this bill passes. You (Snicker) can disect it and poke holes all you want and try to read between the lines, but it will not change the outcome if it passes.
What we need to do is support Falcon and any effort he is willing to do to help save this hobby. I for one enjoy it very much and don't want to have it outlawed because some dumb kid aquires an airsoftgun and goes to school only to get shot by a SWAT Officer.
Give Falcon a chance to do his thing and stand behind him. I do and will offer any assistance/support I can as a Law Enforcement Officer.

Falcon no hard feelings about the COP/LAWYER crack I made earlier!!

A_Florida_Cop

 

1LT FA-DEMO       Posted: 07:49:00 on 02-20-2006
Thread jack......

Good to hear from you spook.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread…

DEMO

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 08:07:00 on 02-20-2006
This message edited by FA-Brad. 2006-02-20 08:08:00
Snicker - I have asked you to keep your discussions as to whether we should bother to oppose this bill on your own boards. You have chosen to ignore my warnings.

Your repeated accusations that I have somehow mischaracterized the effect of this bill will not be tolerated, much less on a board that I moderate.

You have lost your privilege to post here.

 

AB dirtyjoe       Posted: 08:14:00 on 02-20-2006
I think it would be really good if we informed our senators exactly what airsoft is. Right now they are acting on a fear of something they dont understand. We should encourage them to come out to some of our meets and see the level of respect we pursue the hobby, and the responsibility that we all show as adults at these events. I honestly think if they came to an event, they would compare it to a paintball game, and might even change how the bill affects our sport. i agree with earlier posts about the fact that the bill that is in place now should be enforced rather than radical action, but i also agree that something needs to happen. I was at a gun show yesterday where parents were buying their kids cheap CYMAs. So when the kids go to the park and get busted, we feel the effect of that. I agree with SGT Jones letter that the parents should be held responsible. But yea, let me know if we could do this. Senators are people too you know. We should get on there good side rather than bicker about technicalities.

PS. The lady proposing the bill is a democrat, and florida is a republican majority state. just thought i'd throw that in there.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 08:46:00 on 02-20-2006
This message edited by FA-Chris. 2006-02-20 09:13:00
yall that think Brad(Falcon) is doing anything wrong ...find another forum to do yer bitchin.. we dont need that crap here

hes a lawyer and and they make real money on real cases, not charity cases like this one..(being an athiest i cant) ,but yall should thank god some one who has such a full plate,would take the time to help us out ,and thank him instead of criticising (sp?)him..



Panzer...aaah. im mean, FA-Chris out-

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 14:12:00 on 02-20-2006
I just spoke with Rick Watson, the lobbyist. He will charge us a certainsum per month for the two months of session, as long as the bill does not begin to take on a life of its own, and can be kept bottled up. If there is more effort required, the fee will go up.

I will be opening a paypal account called contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net for the fundraising, and I will publish all donations periodically as we go.

The bad news - the bill has gone back to bill drafting, as it is not restrictive enough for the sponsor's tatses. Mr. Watson believes that Ms. Wilson intends to try to ban or severely restrict all replica guns, including conventional airguns, airsoft and paintball guns. There is currently no companion bill in the House, and the deadline for filing bills is noon on the first day of session, 3/7/06.

Session is from 3/7/06 through 5/6/06.

Thanks to all who have donated so far, and we'll keep you posted. Please remember to keep all further discussions of the merits of the bill, and our strategy for opposing it on restricted nonpublic forums.

 

SA Gunstar       Posted: 17:13:00 on 02-20-2006
This message edited by Gunstar. 2006-02-20 17:14:00
Hey Brad, when's the deadline as far as accepting donations?? Or is there even a deadline?? I won't be able to donate until the 3rd of March.

I feel kindda bad because I was the one that started that thread about our situation on ASR, resulting in all the hoopla, but anyway enough about that..

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 19:45:00 on 02-20-2006
There's no deadline. We'll need to pay Rick Watson AT LEAST $2500 per month for the 2 months of the session, if things can be kept under wraps. Plus, we'll need money for the grassroots campaign, letter writing, emails, perhaps an ad or two.

I spoke with the executive director of the Florida arm of the NRA today. They are on it, and will be working with my lobbyist Rick Watson as well. She told me that there is more to the agenda than meets the eye from the first draft of the bill. Until we find out what the bill really will do and what it will accomplish, we won't be able to intelligently discuss the bill.

We and they oppose all efforts to pass anything that bans possession of anything. For another week or so we won't know how much is or is not happening. Lets keep raising money, and we'll see how much needs to be spent as events develop. If it gets further on in the process, we'll get some industry support soon.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 23:35:00 on 02-20-2006
m/o out tomorrow..forgot today was a holliday...lol

 

1LT Mac       Posted: 06:11:00 on 02-21-2006
I'll get some money over to you today, Brad. We'll try to raise more soon.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 07:17:00 on 02-21-2006
Chris - Thanks bro!

Mac - your corporate book is ready. Check your PMs at SEAL.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 08:52:00 on 02-21-2006
guys keep all the left-wing ,right-wing crap at home this is not the place for that.

 

PV stevusmc       Posted: 15:03:00 on 02-21-2006
Ok how about this, airsofters should have no part in this!
Since we here are airsofters....a game...where we dont hurt anybody or anything.
We have to be honest to play the game.... and i dont see the problem.

The problem is these kids who dont play airsoft but buy airsoft weapons at flee markets and such and plinker around in their yards and street...that gets the cops called....mostly under age kids.

Instead of having it banned..how about a ID card thing such as fishing now in the state of florida. After all...we are a sport too.
I think it would police it very well.
= 2 cents

 

PV SoG       Posted: 15:06:00 on 02-21-2006
Steve I agree with that idea man.Definately makes it easier at games for you to just show your card,if you dont have one you don't play.

 

PV stevusmc       Posted: 15:09:00 on 02-21-2006
Well i think we could all settle and agree on that since airsofters hate the little kids playing around and getting us all introuble and the people trying to stop our sport.

I dont know what you could call them....FACs florida airsoft cards? maybe 10 bucks to get...ohhh they will love that.

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 15:52:00 on 02-21-2006
Under the current legislation that card already exists. It is called Driver's licence or State ID Card, and under the same legislation, it is ilegal for minors to buy or sell airsoft guns.

And for the record, we do not hate minors.

 

PV stevusmc       Posted: 16:04:00 on 02-21-2006
This message edited by stevusmc. 2006-02-21 16:13:00
hate is a strong word..sorry about that

But as some sort of licence as a fishing licence.
Saying you know the rules to follow when playing airsoft and about the letting the local police know and a gun case.
And to pay 10 bucks to get it would make the state happy.
Not as anyone can just buy a airsoft weapon and hit the streets if your over 18...but to understand the rules that are set up and give more legal props to our "sport"
It has nothing to do with airsoft as we are a wondering crowd with 1:1 looking weapons but sport enthusiasts.

 

PV princezz       Posted: 17:14:00 on 02-21-2006
I am so ticked, I wanna cry! I will also be writing a letter as soon as I am done posting here.....As a beginner I would hate to see an end to something I never got a chance to fully engage in, And I feel so bad for all the old timers too...Brad, lobbying is just to say no to the bill right? I mean its great coming up with ideas and such to change the law but will that help now? or are we primarily(sp?) trying to stop the bill?

 

WO1 DingoZee       Posted: 18:01:00 on 02-21-2006
Stevusmc,
Lets worry about regulations IF the bill passes.
I don't want FL State in my pocket anymore than they
already are. All I need now is needing a FL hunting license
to shoot at my friends..BS
and lets keep on topic...please

 

PV princezz       Posted: 18:52:00 on 02-21-2006
Well thats 3 senators down, me and two others have contacted, I wonder if it helps to actually contact the lady who is responsible for all this, of course I will keep it nice and sweet (gritting teeth) ok, catch yall later

 

PV stevusmc       Posted: 19:18:00 on 02-21-2006
They cant win when they pick on everybody
Paintball is on ESPN for goodness sake.

 

PV mthaynes       Posted: 09:21:00 on 02-22-2006
Hello All from the North East. I picked up a link to this discussion from Classicairsoft.net. Looks like a big issue that to date I had not seen.

I response I have posted a link to your discussion page on NEAG.org. We have a 1000+ committed members to the pursuit of AS so please let us know how we can help.

You do not have to go this fight alone……………

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 09:28:00 on 02-22-2006
Thank you Mark!

 

SR redtail       Posted: 09:36:00 on 02-22-2006
WE Need to donate and fight this but I really dont think it will pass because its just to dumb of a law. If they bn Airsoft then why not ban Paint Ball!!! Any way im gonna donate money and I encourage every one else to!

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 09:50:00 on 02-22-2006
Redtail. Thanks! But read FA-Brad's post (Posted: 19:45:00 on 02-20-200).

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 10:55:00 on 02-22-2006
awesome! we have the numbers to beat this easily. keep up the fight.

 

WO1 POINTMAN       Posted: 16:01:00 on 02-22-2006
I know that this would be sometime later in March..but what is the possiblity of using the funds gathered from Emerald Lighting to fund the anti-ban campaign? I know that there might be players that wont give cash out right, but if you give them an airsoft event for it, their wallets might loosen up a bit. This would also be a great way for retailers to support the game...they could offer up prices and raffle items to increase participation. You can even have other items that would go to those that donate the most...plaques, patches, shirts or what not.

Just an idea....

 

1LT FA-DEMO       Posted: 16:04:00 on 02-22-2006
Already working on an event for that...


DEMO

 

1st Lt. FA-Sean       Posted: 16:27:00 on 02-22-2006
Hey Jon let me know if you need any help.

 

Sgt Tink       Posted: 23:09:00 on 02-22-2006
I was at my local Army Surplus Store today (picking up supplies for the DV8 game) and decided to communicate the news about the potential ban on Airsoft in Florida. The owner was quite surprised about the whole thing and was very open to doing what he could to help us out.

He even said he would help relay the info to the other vendors within the area.

I think it would be wise if someone such as FA-BRAD or someone directly involved could give them a call while the issue is fresh on there mind.

Here the contact info:
HeadQuarters Military Surplus
1450 Skipper RD, Suite 62
Tampa, Fl 33613
(813) 971-8805


 

WO1 POINTMAN       Posted: 00:03:00 on 02-23-2006
Good call....This will affect alot of local business apart from the obvious airsoft industry in Florida....not to mention online dealers and such.

I would be curious to see how much of the US airsoft business actually comes out of Florida...I'm sure that California will be at number 1, but it would be interesting to see how much business Florida brings to the airsoft industry...

 

Prv flyingpoohead       Posted: 18:06:00 on 02-23-2006
No way.They cant take this sport from us.Any word on the bill?

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 21:16:00 on 02-23-2006
from what i hear, the bill is going back into revision and will be out again on march 7th, worse than when it went in. i guess we're all at a stand still until then.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 22:57:00 on 02-23-2006
Donations should now be sent to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.

We have raised 2138.32 in total donations deposited to my paypal account, and I have just sent the net after paypal costs (2069.70) into contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.


The lobbyist sent me his contract today. I need to cut a check for $2500 tomorrow to get us through the first month of session. This of you who have helped already - THANK YOU!!!! Please - we need to keep raising money. Please send your lobbying donations to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.


Thanks!!!!

 

WO1 DingoZee       Posted: 19:43:00 on 02-24-2006
This message edited by DingoZee. 2006-02-24 19:44:00
Just donated $250 ...whos got $250 so we can cover the first
session?
I'd do more but my bike is in the shop and if I want it back
I'll be needing me some green backs.

I'll donate more in a few weeks....i wanted to do $500

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 08:53:00 on 02-25-2006
For those of you suggesting a State Airsofting ID card, while I appreciate what you are trying to do: keep minors and airsoft separate; I don't think a State license is the answer. We are proposing a $10/year fee as a compromise to the current bill. What about $100/year? $500? What will be the criteria for getting such a card? Mail in copies of your birth records and a check for $10? Or apply in person at the county courthouse...or in Tallahasee? Think I'm kidding: check on how the Concealed Weapons Licenses process used to work. It was at the discretion of the county sheriff - some counties denied ALL applications. Again, the power to regulate is the power to destroy. I'm with Brad on this, we must fight all attempts at regulation and worry about compromises only if this bill passes.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 09:43:00 on 02-25-2006
We vigorously oppose any and all efforts to restrict our rights.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 11:51:00 on 02-25-2006
This message edited by FA-Brad. 2006-02-25 11:55:00
Liquid - please bother to read the posts above before running off at the mouth. The bill has gone back to drafting to make it worse. We don't know what it says yet. We and the NRA vigorously oppose all efforts to restrict our rights though.

We hired a lobbyist for $2500 per month to babysit us through the 2 months of session that start on 3/7/06.

I'm the lawyer, and I'm working for FREE. Yes, I understand the last draft of the bill, and I understand airsoft.

Either support the effort, or STFU.

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 12:51:00 on 02-25-2006
Liquid, I think that Brad's point is that there is no point in disscusing the currently posted bill since it is being redrafted.

 

AB LiquidSnake       Posted: 12:53:00 on 02-25-2006
I think it's still worth discussing, but anyway, legislation is bad. Who initially proposed/authored the bill?

 

WO1 DingoZee       Posted: 14:45:00 on 02-25-2006
This message edited by DingoZee. 2006-02-25 14:46:00
Senator Wilson...it's on the bill...might want to read it
Top of page..first post. Click the link

 

PV prtgee       Posted: 20:48:00 on 02-25-2006
hi, is there any way someone can send us the info on this because we want to organise some kind of fundraiser for this and we will send all the cash to brad. please let us know so we can get this together as soon as possible.

 

PV prtgee       Posted: 20:49:00 on 02-25-2006
also, is there some kind of patition we can start?

 

WO1 DingoZee       Posted: 10:19:00 on 02-26-2006
from a rumor floating around here AirSoft Depot has one
in Ft.Lauderdale. Also from what I hear Falcon or MayDay
is working one aswell. They have to be worded correctly so
as "rumor" has it one is in the works.
Just keep a eye on these forums.
Maybe we can have a E-Petition set up so we can get more signatures faster.
I'll have to ask Halloween if he can set one up through MindGame Productions site and if its possible

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 15:27:00 on 02-26-2006
mayday and i (with falcon's approval to make sure we're doing it right) want to draw something up for petitiononline.com.

as for gathering support on the MGP site, it can be done. just let me know of the best way to do it and i'll get it up.

 

CPL SGT Jones       Posted: 18:46:00 on 02-26-2006
An e-petition would be OK, but my ex-brother-in-law (say that 5 times fast) was a congressional aide and he told me they basically don't pay any attention to e-petitions. It's too easy to "rig" them and it doesn't take any effort to sign up (less commitment). I'm not saying we shouldn't do one, I'm just saying that what I've heard is pen-and-ink gets taken more seriously. I'm sure Brad's lobbyist would have better (and more current) info.

 

PV tedac77       Posted: 11:44:00 on 02-27-2006
This message edited by tedac77. 2006-02-27 11:56:00
How about do something else as well as raising money for a lobbyist. Get the News Media involved by letting them know about it. Write or email the NRA to see what they can do to help. Just a few ideas I had

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 11:52:00 on 02-27-2006
All excellent ideas. However, until the next version of the bill comes back from drafting, and session starts next Friday, there's nothing we can do except raise funds.

 

PV jss8418       Posted: 12:20:00 on 02-27-2006
I broke off an e-mail to my state senator, and encourage all other registered voters to do the same.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 10:41:00 on 02-28-2006
Senator Takes Aim At Guns That Look Real But Aren't

Skip directly to the full story.

By JOSH POLTILOVE jpoltilove@tampatrib.com

Published: Feb 28, 2006

TAMPA - Weeks after a Seminole County deputy fatally shot an eighth-grader holding a pellet gun, a state senator is seeking to prohibit most sales of imitation firearms in Florida.

Sen. Frederica S. Wilson said her bill also might be revised to prohibit the sale of real guns painted to look like fakes.

"We can't set up our kids to become victims, and we shouldn't force our law enforcement officers to become victims," the Miami Democrat said. "That's just unconscionable."

The bill targets toy or replica guns "so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to a firearm ... as to lead a reasonable person to believe that a device is a firearm."

Violators could be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor for a first offense and a third-degree felony for multiple offenses.

A similar federal law doesn't carry criminal penalties, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Wilson said she introduced the bill partly in reaction to the death of the 15-year-old eighth-grader who was shot after pointing a pellet gun resembling a 9 mm handgun. The bill also comes after an incident in Wilson's district where a 16-year-old boy holding a toy gun was shot dead by police.

"The gun lobbyists, of course, we might meet some resistance from them," she said.

Marion Hammer, a Florida lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said the bill would not have much effect given its similarity to the federal law, which prohibits manufacturing, selling or shipping real-looking imitation guns.

"I'm not sure in its current form it would do any harm, but I don't see it doing any good, either," Hammer said.

She wouldn't speculate on possible revisions to the bill, including outlawing the sale of real guns that resemble fake ones.

Jim Astle said his gun supply store in Baraboo, Wis., is one of about 65 businesses nationwide that use DuraCoat to paint guns. For $300 or more, he will paint a real gun in colors such as lime green, stock red and pink.

Astle said he typically paints two guns a week for customers who want their weapons to look different.

The painted guns resemble toys, he said, but ordering DuraCoat is "not something a kid's going to do."

"And it's not something a criminal is going to do," Astle said.

Tampa Police Department Officer Greg Hattle is concerned about that possibility, however.

"Vanity colors - that's playtime," he said. "There's no need for them."

Officers must decide quickly whether a gun is real or fake, and hesitation or confusion could be fatal.

"I don't want to be the one to hurt someone over a piece of plastic," Hattle said.

Florida law prohibits people younger than 16 from buying or possessing a BB gun without an adult present, but the statute does not cover pellet guns.

Wilson's bill allows the sale of imitation guns for such uses as military or civil defense activities, theatrical productions or regulated sporting events.

The Hillsborough County school district confiscated four firearms and 265 other weapons, including imitation firearms, on campuses during the 2004-05 school year.

Spokesman Steve Hegarty said the district supports "any legislation that would help make schools safer."

"But we already prohibit this stuff on campuses."


 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 11:16:00 on 02-28-2006
This message edited by FA-Ivan. 2006-02-28 11:17:00
This legislation will solve no problem... Nothing will impede kids or criminals to paint fake guns to look like real ones... Or real ones to look like toy ones... Peharps she should ban the spray paint and anything that can be use to paint guns...

And since we are banning thing, they could ban alcohol beverages and cars. That way we won't have more victims cause by drunk drivers...

Also we can ban baseball bats and kitchen knives... Those are very dangerous weapons!

And, of course, we should ban drugs... Oh, wait, those are already banned.... Then why are they still on the streets??? I don't understant! They are banned, are they?

Geez!!! When will they (politics) learn???? (This is a rhetoric question :P)

Edit: typos...

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 12:36:00 on 02-28-2006
i'm with you, ivan. bigger fish to fry out there doing us more harm than good yet they target this. f*n politicians.

anyway, back on topic. :)

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 13:19:00 on 02-28-2006
GUYS PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE POSTING!

The text of the bill posted at the begining of this thread is NOT longer valid. The Senator took it back to rewrite it.

 

WO1 DingoZee       Posted: 21:25:00 on 02-28-2006
that doesn't mean it can't do harm.
It's being refined to possibly be more stricted than it was in the begining.
If it gets re-drafted and hits the agenda before we know it while
they are in session it can be up for a vote without us knowning.

Please correct me if im wrong. ;)

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 22:31:00 on 02-28-2006
Dingo, you are correct. Word is that the re-drafted billl is going to be worse for us. What I meant is there is no point in analysing the posted text because it is not the final one. I'm pretty sure that Brad is on top of it and he will let us know when the new one is up.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 07:48:00 on 03-01-2006
I personally spoke with Rep. Jack Seiler and Sen. Skip Campbell last night. We're working on a political solution.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 09:26:00 on 03-01-2006
My latest email to Rep. Seiler, cc: Sen. Skip Campbell and lobbyist Rick Watson:

Hi Jack,

Good to see you last night. As you know, I am concerned that Sen. Wilson has introduced SB 1492 (which has now gone back to bill drafting). This bill does some disturbing things to folks that collect and play airsoft.

I understand that Sen. Wilson's stated purpose is to prohibit possession by minors of things that look like guns, in order to avoid tragedies like what occurred last month when the child pointed the replica gun at the police officer and was killed as a result.

I am secretary and general counsel to a not for profit member association called Southeast Airsoft Legion, Inc. The members and many others in the state are concerned that their ability to collect, trade and engage in reenactments and gaming will be adversely affected by any further regulation at all.

We do currently have a law on the books, 790.22, that does what Sen. Wilson wants to do. Perhaps we could simply raise the age from 16 to 18 years for possession of bb and airguns without parental supervision. There is also already in place federal legislation regarding import of replicas.

Anyway, Marion Hammer for USF/NRA and Rick Watson for the Airsoft industry (and myself) are about to have to spend a lot of money and resources dealing with this matter.

I wonder if you might have a word with Senator Wilson on my behalf, or perhaps attend a meeting with us? Skip has graciously offered to set up the meeting for me, but I do not know if he will be in attendance.

Thanks,

Brad Winston

 

CPT FA-Phillip       Posted: 22:27:00 on 03-02-2006
Vath - your comment that was deleted looked like it was intending to draw the topic off of its subject to debate political parties rather than the topic on hand.

This forum is to discuss how we can stop this bill from getting inked into the books. That's it.

If you don't want to stop the bill, do not post.

If you want to debate political parties here, do not post.

If you are not old enough to legally vote or purchase an airsoft, do not post.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 01:25:00 on 03-03-2006
you know at my shop there are 2 simple rules "no religion,no politics" ..when those rules are used people just seem to get along better.

maybe since it works with some of the nuts that come in my place ,im sure it could work here..us being all civilized and shit,,.

 

SA Gunstar       Posted: 06:40:00 on 03-07-2006
Just donated what I could spare at the moment.

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 14:21:00 on 03-07-2006
upon first reading, it looks like it's only a ban on selling imitation firearms to minors which is good...right?

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 14:29:00 on 03-07-2006
This message edited by FA-Ivan. 2006-03-07 15:10:00
Thank Nick,

But SB 2738 is very diferent than SB1490 altought the definition of imitation fiream is almost the same. Now it includes traditional BB guns, pellet guns and paintball guns with some exceptions.

Just compare the Senate sumaries:
SB 1490

Defines the term "imitation firearm." Prohibits the sale
of any imitation firearm. Provides exceptions. Provides
penalties for a person who sells an imitation firearm.
Provides penalties for a person who displays, uses,
threatens, or attempts to use any imitation firearm while
committing or attempting to commit a felony.

SB 2738
Defines the term "imitation firearm." Prohibits the sale
of an imitation firearm to a minor. Provides a penalty.

Edit:
Halloween, as I understand it, you are correct. Let's wait for Brad's opinion.... :)

 

CPL Madd_Maxx       Posted: 14:36:00 on 03-07-2006
This message edited by Madd_Maxx (D.V.8). 2006-03-07 14:37:00
Thanks Ivan, I want Brad's input on this one too.

I'm with Halloween on this one, but maybe I'm not reading deep enough. Is there part of this new bill that we are missing the point of?

I have an 9 year old and have busted his friends with the cheapy ones from the flea market taking pop shots at each other. Morgen knows better and just walked away, but some of these kids don't think about what they are doing. So I'm all for the age restriction, it is one of the reasons I am part of FA and the Florida Airsoft games in general. You have to be 18 to play.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 18:34:00 on 03-07-2006
I think any regulation of the sport is too much, but 2738 does not hurt us otherwise. We will be able to continue to use non-blazed guns among adults as we wish if 1490 does not also pass.

It seems to merely prohibit the sale of replicas to minors. The trouble I see with 2738 is that it still allows sale of airsoft with blaze orange tips to be sold to minors, and it may fail or get badly amended for this reason.

I will confer with our lobbyist, NRA and a few key legislators over the next couple of days. 2738 could be an NRA backed alternative, or a reaction to all the waves I've been making, for all I know. Siplin is a Democrat, btw.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 20:17:00 on 03-08-2006
There are now 3 senate bills filed dealing with imitation firearms. No house companions have been filed as yet.

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 20:35:00 on 03-08-2006
Yeah, actually one passed under our radar on 03/03/06. SB 2560 http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl...

Only effect I can see on us is any airsoft bought, sold, or traded between us or on these forums had better have an orange tip.

IMHO- I don't see how this one will fail to pass. It's essentially allowing local LEO's to uphold Federal Law. Maybe an enumerated powers nuance or over-reach of Federal authority. Perhaps judicial review by the Roberts Court will find this violates my 9th and 10th Ammendment rights...but I doubt it.

 

Prv Nick225       Posted: 20:53:00 on 03-08-2006
hey! what happened to my previous posts?

Brad, when do you think the bills will get scheduled on the committees calender?
Isn't it to late to file any more bills in the House?

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 23:01:00 on 03-08-2006
This message edited by FA-Chris. 2006-03-09 08:58:00
Nick ,your posts were deleted by a FA mod, who felt they were not within the rules of the forum...(sorry about the sp last night ,was sleeping..almost)

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 05:50:00 on 03-09-2006
This message edited by FA-Brad. 2006-03-09 05:50:00
Donations should now be sent to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.

We have raised 2138.32 in total donations deposited to my paypal account, and I have just sent the net after paypal costs (2069.70) into contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.

The lobbyist sent me his contract. I cut a check for $2500 to get us through the first month of session. This of you who have helped already - THANK YOU!!!! Please - we need to keep raising money. Please send your lobbying donations to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net.

We need to raise another $2500 in the next couple of weeks to pay for Rick Watson to ride herd on these bills for the second month of session.

Thanks!!!!

 

LCpl Ghost Doc       Posted: 07:30:00 on 03-09-2006
I posted this on the SEAL Forum when Falcons Honesty after Brad was accussed of scamming by some dumbass Brad is a completly stand up Person. Listen to him he knows what he is talking about.

At this time that we should be standing tall and proactivly seeking ways to curb this bill and never let it hit the floor. I hear the debate about money. If you cant donate or dont want to donate do not try and stop those of us who care and want to see this defeated ASAP. Sorry Folks Money is what drives Politics why else would these people do what they do. If every AirSofter over 18 trully cared this crap would never get started. It truly amazes me that people will spend hundreds if not thousands of Dollars on a sport then worry about a few bucks to play, or protect thier sport. I am 45 y/o and play Airsoft and I have seen rights in this country disapear one by one Life Liberty and happiness is a right, My sport hurts no one that doesnt play and they are aware of thier hits. Do you understand this in many ways is an attack on the second amendment? Yes I know these are these are replica guns but thats the Issue "GUNS". Most Airsofters are legal gun owners also, whats to stop them with a victory here to move on to the next step? Solidarity in this issue is paramount.

As for the dumbass comments "I am going to wait and see what happens before I donate", The best defence is a strong offense, If you dont have to money to donate dont post your dumbass comments and negativity at least write a letter to your Congresman, Senator, Govonor. Thank god we live is a prodominatetly Republican state . AS FOR Falcon I trust Brad and would cover his back at anytime, or take point, and would know he covers my back.

If you dont think this is an issue Ask people from England, Australia, Germany if gun restrictions cause less crime. No one wants your beer money or for godz sake your BB money, (even though after this bill is passed you will have more money for beer since you will not need it for BB's) people this a call to arms if I ever heard one.

 

LCpl 8ball (PHG)       Posted: 07:58:00 on 03-09-2006
SNN Channel 6 news in Sarasota just went up to the local paintball/airsoft store to do a segment on airsoft. They really didn't show their feelings one way or the other, but knowing SNN I wouldn't be surprised if it is shown in a negative slant.

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 08:55:00 on 03-09-2006
yeah i think bringing in the news isnt best idea

 

LCpl 8ball (PHG)       Posted: 09:53:00 on 03-09-2006
I gotta agree with that. They tend to jump on whatever bandwagon is nearby at the time. right or wrong.

 

CPL ZoneOne       Posted: 16:11:00 on 03-09-2006
The news will not let off of the past events. They will some how make a connection.

What we need to do now is keep donating and hope that Rick Watson will do his job with the best ability and we can end this legislation.

 

AB csspecs       Posted: 19:29:00 on 03-09-2006
http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl...

AAHH Crap, my M4 was just starting to look good and now I have to put on orange crappy paint so it won't get seized.

Also will airsoft guns brought to FA games after july be siezed if a police officer happends to be there?

 

Prv Nick225       Posted: 06:38:00 on 03-10-2006
If SB2560 is passed, then yes. I think police will be able to seize airsoft guns without orange tips/

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 07:17:00 on 03-10-2006
Negative. 2560 affects "any imitation firearm that is entered into commerce" Commerce = buy, sell, trade. If this bill passes and a law enforcement officer shows up to an FA game (which happens more often than not), the aeg you brought to game with does not need to be marked. Now, if you brought a gun to sell or trade, make sure it is marked. Even if its "hey, wanna trade my M4 ammo pouches and dump bag for that MP5 hi-cap and those knee pads? Sure! And I'll even throw in this crappy AK-47 springer I bought at Wally World. Cool!" Yeah, and if that cheesy springer AK isn't marked, its seized.

All this does is bring State Law up to sync with Federal Law. Fed statues required all imitation firearms to have blaze orange tips for interstate commerce. 2560 will require the same for intrastate commmerce. Commerce! Not possession, ownership, or use.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 17:36:00 on 03-10-2006
The bills specifically refer to "including...airsoft..."

 

AB csspecs       Posted: 18:22:00 on 03-10-2006
This message edited by csspecs. 2006-03-10 18:37:00
This now bans real bb guns as well. Like the wather P99 .177 cal bb gun that is sold by wal-mart. Someone should let the airgun makers know about this, they have a lot of money to throw around and plenty of power.

1) As used in this section, the term "imitation

13 firearm" means any toy gun, replica of a firearm, traditional

14 BB gun, paintball gun, pellet-firing air gun, air-soft gun

15 that fires nonmetallic projectiles, or other device that is so

16 substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to

17 a firearm, as defined in s. 790.001,


See?

EDIT: SB 2738 only applys to minors.

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 19:26:00 on 03-10-2006
Read the bills. 1490 and 2738 both define the term "imitation firearm" and name "airsoft" in particular. Your argument might work on 2560 and it does not define the term, although it does say "toy" and "look-alike". Real BB guns are already covered by 790.22 (this statue could be applied to airsoft as well). I'm a CWL holder as well, and I love to debate minutiae too, but I'm a lineman and Brad is a real lawyer. I'll listen to him.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 09:11:00 on 03-11-2006
Gentlemen -

We're aiming to defeat all these bills outright. The time to argue minutae and technicalities as to constitutionality and applicability to any given set of facts is after it becomes law, and in defense of an alleged violation.

Now is the time to recognize a proposed law that takes away rights that we hold, and oppose its passage. Its that simple.

Moreover, this is a public-access forum. It is extremenly bad security for us to publicly discuss holes in the proiposed language, when the legislators can simply look at what we're saying and amend the bills to make them tighter. Also - DO not propose any alternative language. We're not looking for a compromise. We're looking to defeat the bills outright.

They will probably read these posts, as I have already called several of them and advised that I represent SEAL and FA.

USE YOUR HEADS. Don't post anything here that you do not want the bill sponsors or their staff attorneys to read.

Mods - please disable all posts regarding these issues, except those raising money and those vigorously opposing the bills.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 09:16:00 on 03-11-2006
CSPECS wrote "This now bans real bb guns as well. Like the wather P99 .177 cal bb gun that is sold by wal-mart. Someone should let the airgun makers know about this, they have a lot of money to throw around and plenty of power."

Good idea. You are now assigned to do so. Let me know who to contact there.

 

CPT FA-Phillip       Posted: 09:57:00 on 03-11-2006
This message edited by FA-Phillip. 2006-03-11 10:13:00
Jensa - you are the problem. Not only do you not abide by our rules, you do not abide by the law set forth by the State of Florida.

Our rules are: If you are under 18, do not post about selling, buying, or playing airsoft.

The law is any minor under the age of 16 requires adult supervision. Minors over the age of 16 require parental consent. You must be over the age of 18 to purchase.

Therefore ANY MINOR that purchases an Airsoft is doing so ILLEGALLY, and any minor under the age of 16 using one without PARENTAL SUPERVISON is doing so illegally. More parents should be held responsible for their children breaking laws.

For breaking our rules, you are now issued a 24 hour warning ban. Please refrain from breaking our rules or you will be banned for good.

 

1LT FA-Joel       Posted: 13:23:00 on 03-12-2006
Brad, I do appreciate all the leg-work you are doing on behalf of our sport. If I had the time and legal qualifications, I'd do more. But I do have a bank account, and I just sent another $100 to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 18:25:00 on 03-12-2006
THE LATEST FROM THE LOBBYIST:


All of you - please read this and follow Rick's instructions.

Especially:

"Senator Siplin's bill (SB 2738 which is attached) is even worse than SB 1490. With your grassroots team, I suggest we get as many people as we can to write, call, fax, and email Senator Siplin. The message is: We oppose your bill." You might want to craft a meatier message, but make it short and to the point. "


And:

"The more contacts we can generate from Orlando, the better. Urge our team to be respectful in dealing with staff, but clear about their opposition to SB 2738. "

And:

"I'd appreciate being copied with email, letters or faxes, so I'll know how many contact Senator Siplin. My email is rick@rwatsonandassociates.com and my FAX is 850 222-9059."


PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do exactly as he says. Direct question to me though, NOT to Rick Watson.

Thanks!

FA-Brad, Falcon

_______________________________________________________________

Brad:

I've attached a printout of the status of the imitation firearms bills. The good news is that none of the bills has a house companion bill. Normally, similar bills are filed in each chamber and go through the committee process and floor vote in his chamber before being sent to the other chamber.

Marion Hammer and I working together on these bills. At this point, we agree that the best strategy is to oppose all three bills. It's way to early to start talking about compromise if we can prevent the bills from coming to the committee for the first hearing. If the bills are never heard in commitee, they die. We'll be talking to the committee chairs as soon as the bills receive a committee reference to voice our opposition.

SB 2560 (Garcia-Hialeah) is unnecessary since federal law allows an officer to seize an imitation gun which does not have the distinctive markings required by 15 USC Section 5001.

Marion spoke to Senator Wilson about SB 1490. The Senator does not think that she'll be pushing the bill this year. I'll go by her office this week and register our opposition.

Senator Siplin's bill (SB 2738 which is attached) is even worse than SB 1490. With your grassroots team, I suggest we get as many people as we can to write, call, fax, and email Senator Siplin. The message is: We oppose your bill." You might want to craft a meatier message, but make it short and to the point.

Senator Siplin's contact information is:

Tallahassee telephone: 850 487-5190
District telephone: 407 297-2071
District FAX: 407 522-2153
Email: siplin.gary@web@flsenate.gov

Tallahassee mailing address:

The Honorable Gary Siplin
Senator, District 19
205 Senate Office Building
Tallahassee, FL 32399

Orlando mailing address:

The Honorable Gary Siplin
Senator, District 19
1436 North Pine Hills Rd
Orlando 32808

The more contacts we can generate from Orlando, the better. Urge our team to be respectful in dealing with staff, but clear about their opposition to SB 2738.

I'd appreciate being copied with email, letters or faxes, so I'll know how many contact Senator Siplin. My email is rick@rwatsonandassociates.com and my FAX is 850 222-9059.

I'll report at the end of the week of any developments.

Rick

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 18:28:00 on 03-12-2006
PLEASE - WE STILL NEED TO RAISE ANOTHER $2500 TO PAY MR. WATSON BY THE END OF THE MONTH!!!!!

PLEASE DONATE!!!

(THANKS CAFFIENE!)

LANCE, DEMO, PHILLIP - CAN YOU GUYS HELP RAISE SOME MONEY FOR US IN A HURRY?

PHIL - I'M STILL WAITING...

 

CPT FA-Lance       Posted: 22:19:00 on 03-12-2006
I just sent some more money and I would advise everyone else to do likewise.

I don't need to state how important it is to fight these bills - it should be obvious to everyone.

What Mr. Watson is charing is very small potatoes on the scale that these things can cost. And I think it well within our abilities to raise that kind of scratch.

Each and everyone of us is depending on each other to do the right thing. I am sure we can all think of a million reason why we can't send as much as we like right now, but with that kind of attitude, we'll all be thinking in a few years of the ONE reason why we can't play airsoft anymore if you don't do something about it now...

 

LCpl SNAKE       Posted: 23:27:00 on 03-12-2006
I dont have mutch but I gave a bunch of gas cans to Mike at his shop to sell and I told him to send the profit to FA by paypal.
Im not a wealthy man and I have 3 kids so its hard but if what I have in airsoft can help airsoft than ill sell it all.
~SNAKE~

 

CPT FA-Chris       Posted: 00:12:00 on 03-13-2006
This message edited by FA-Chris. 2006-03-13 00:13:00
Brad, FSOG will be taking a group collection at our next team practice..so we'll have another donation out soon..

Lance is right 100%. with the ammt of forum members we should have no prob at all getting that scratch together.

Even if its ten bucks ,and you dont wana see our fun gone..send it..

 

LCpl Jekyll       Posted: 08:02:00 on 03-14-2006
Why don't we get one of our bigger Teams in Florida to host a MAJOR Airsoft Weekend Event with all the proceeds going to this fund. Lets open the envite to Airsoft teams from Atlanta, Colorado, ANY State, all of Florida and whom ever else who wants to help in raising these funds. Make one of the biggest events ever, Contact local and National Media, ESPN, all Airsoft sponsers like Clasic Army, ICS, Tokoyo Marui, etc. and have them come to the event if possible. Then we could raise the needed money and attention to this bill and give Airsoft its day!

 

PFC Viocoe       Posted: 13:15:00 on 03-14-2006
This message edited by Viocoe. 2006-03-14 16:13:00
Jekyll, Sounds like a great idea. But how fast can we organize this? Is this bill going to hold out of committee for that long? How about Emerald Lightning or Hostile Ground? Can we hype up that in time? Make it the biggest event ever? Anyway, I will like to see that happen and will help out anyway that I can.
I will think about what is needed right now. I will check my bank today to see how much I can give.

 

PFC Viocoe       Posted: 13:41:00 on 03-14-2006
Okay, I just sent $100 to the fund. Now I will write a letter. Is there anything I can do as a current soldier in the US Army Reserve and a war vet? I know the Sheriffs in the group have much pull.

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 23:59:00 on 03-21-2006
This message edited by Halloween. 2006-03-22 00:00:00
http://www.mindgame-productions.com/events/j...

Storyline and scenario will be posted soon.

 

CPT FA-Ivan       Posted: 11:45:00 on 03-22-2006
Just for those who wonders if the previous msg is misplaced: It is not. Click on the link and you will find information about "an event to fund the cost associated with the lobbyist retained to assist in defeating the "Airsoft Ban Bill (sb1490) " that directly affects Airsoft weapons and our sport."

 

Prv Loring       Posted: 09:52:00 on 03-25-2006
Holy crap... im surprised i didnt hear about this earlier. Ill be getting some money together to donate, and ill likely be at OP:Just Cause. Im also going to put this up on southfloridaracing.com , we have a few airsofters over there, and im a site moderator, so i have some pull.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 15:10:00 on 03-25-2006
This is the latest from our man in Tallahassee. We need to raise some money. Fast. I have to stroke another check for $2500 to him NEXT WEEK.

Brad:

All three tagged bills received committee references this week to two committees: Commerce & Consumer Services and Criminal Justice. For a bill to be heard, it has to be referenced. Not every bill that is referenced receives a committee hearing. If we can prevent hearings on the bills, the bills die. I'll inform the committee chairs of our opposition to the Siplin bill since that bill is the most problematic.

I received a total of 13 emails opposing Senator Siplin's bill (SB 2738). I went to his office yesterday and told a staff member that a client had hired me to oppose his bill. I asked for an appointment and should be able to get in to see him next week.

On Senator Wilson's bill (SB 1490), I confirmed with her chief aide that the senator would not push the bill this year. The senator wants to work with us after the Session to address her concerns. I'll continue to monitor the bill, but movement of this bill is not expected.

Senator Garcia's bill (SB 2560) authorizing seizure of any imitation firearm without distinctive marking is the least offensive of the three bills. The provisions are unnecessary since federal law already covers seizure of imitation firearms with distinctive markings. I'll also visit with the staff directors of the committees to discuss the federal law on the subject.

The senate has 30 days from tomorrow for committee hearings. Since none of these bills have house companion bills, another argument I'll make to staff and committee chairs is that the senate would be wasting its time in hearing these bills since none have companion bills.

Marion Hammer and I are in close communication on all three bills. If anything changes radically, I'll let you know. I've mailed you an invoice for the final amount due on the contract. I'd urge you to keep get letters and emails generated for opposition to SB 2738. Fifty emails is a number Senator Siplin would notice. Contact me if you have any questions.

Rick

Richard Watson & Associates, Inc.
PO Box 10038
Tallahassee, FL 32302
(850) 222-0000
(850) 222-0095 (FAX)
(850) 591-4770 (Cellular)
rick@rwatsonandassociates.com (email)
www.rwatsonandassociates.com (website)

 

2LT Leg of Tape       Posted: 17:51:00 on 03-25-2006
Are multiple emails from the same person OK? Hell, I'll send 50 myself if that's the case!

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 18:35:00 on 03-25-2006
We still need to come up with $2500 by next week.

PLEASE GIVE- - - Especially if you can't make it to the game. Send the $40 direct to contributions@southeastairsoftlegion.net

Thanks!!!

 

PV2 suthrnstyl       Posted: 16:31:00 on 04-06-2006
I just sent $20. Sorry, but it's all I can do right now. I will write a letter as well.

 

Prv Snipa06       Posted: 23:49:00 on 04-07-2006
Guys im going to the pentagon in about 1 month if u guys want me to bring this up i will. I was accepted by my class. I meat with the governer and the army leaders as well as the president and his subordinates. I will bring this up if u guys can just keep up the money and i will do something about it. Hopefully it will help hte towards the outcomw that we want

 

WO1 POINTMAN       Posted: 01:45:00 on 04-08-2006
I know I'm not speaking for everybody, but personally, I appreciate your enthusiasm...but please dont bring it up.

The mere fact that you are a minor would again bring a negative light to the subject. The bill proposed is surely a way to protect minors from getting access to these weapons and having a minor bring it up would reinforce the point of those trying to ban airsoft.

I know I dont speak for everyone, but I think that your mention of airsoft would be taken that way...

Thanks though.

 

SR MAYDAY       Posted: 07:52:00 on 04-08-2006
Concur.

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 08:35:00 on 04-08-2006
This message edited by FA-Brad. 2006-04-08 08:36:00
Please DO NOT say anything about this to any federal official. This is a STATE government matter.

Any interference by the federal government will likely have a much worse outcome than we are looking at now, and we have absolutely NO lobbying clout in DC.

Moreover, raising such issues in that context will bring our issues to the attention of politicians and law enforcement at a level where we cannot influence the outcome.

Please DO NOT try to help us in this way. We have the current problem under control at the state legislature level right now. Please leave the political solutions to our leadership here in Florida. (Basically - Rick Watson and myself.)

If the feds suddenly take an interest in regulating airsoft, that will very likely spell more problems for us on a number of fronts, like importation, interstate commerce, sales, and other regulations.

Please just relax, sit back and have a nice steaming hot cup of STFU for all of us here at FA.

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 09:54:00 on 04-08-2006
concur as well.

 

CPL ZoneOne       Posted: 12:49:00 on 04-08-2006
"Please just relax, sit back and have a nice steaming hot cup of STFU for all of us here at FA. "

Just poured a cup of that for myself, sitting back and waiting for results.

Keep up the great work Brad - We all appreciate your help.

:-)

 

2LT FA-Brad       Posted: 00:52:00 on 04-13-2006
The latest from Rick Watson:

Brad: Thanks for sending the check. I saw Senator Siplin last week and asked him if he had talked to the local mayor who had asked him to file the bill. The senator said that he had not, so I think that we're home free for the Session.

None of the three bills I’m tracking (SB 2738, SB 1490, and SB 2560) for Air Soft have been scheduled for hearing. The Senate is taking a Passover/Easter break this week . Only two substantive committee hearings are scheduled in the Senate after April 17, so it looks like we’ll be successful in defeating these measures. We were lucky that none of the bills had House companion bills. I'll continue to monitor the statutes in the bill to prevent any adverse amendments going on any other bills.


My next report will be on April 22nd. Rick


AND NOW FOR THE COUPE DE GRACE:


Hot off the wires...

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Sen. Siplin charged
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Siplin, D-Orlando, is charged with third degree grand theft, a felony, and
use of service of officers or employees, a misdemeanor, during the summer
and fall of 2004.

Henry Pierson Curtis and Anthony Colarossi
Sentinel Staff Writers

April 10, 2006, 11:29 AM EDT

An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that Siplin was
indicted.

Charges against state Sen. Gary Siplin were announced this morning by
Orange-Osceola State Attorney Lawson Lamar on felony and misdemeanor
charges.

Siplin, D-Orlando, is charged with third degree grand theft, a felony, and
use of service of officers or employees, a misdemeanor, during the summer
and fall of 2004.

"This case centers on a person in a position of trust utilizing
approximately three months of labor, funded with taxpayer dollars, for his
personal political career; not for the job a state employee was being paid
to do," State Attorney Lawson Lamar said during a press conference Monday
morning.

"That amounts to grand larceny from the people of Florida," Lamar added.

The felony charge concerns the payment of $5,000 or more to Naomi Cooper
between July 31, 2004, and Nov. 1, 2004, according to a copy of the criminal
information. The misdemeanor charge concerns two current or former
employees, Sarah Caballo and Jose Bosque, the record shows.

The charges carry a $500 bond, and Lamar is now discussing the case.

Siplin was not present and could not be reached as the case was being
disclosed by Lamar in the lobby of the state attorney's office on Orange
Avenue during a 10:30 a.m. press conference.

Copyright (c) 2006, Orlando Sentinel | Get home delivery - up to 50% off

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SrA EOCM-Poacher       Posted: 01:18:00 on 04-13-2006
Brad who is the local Mayor,Siplin is filling this bill for?

 

WO1 Halloween       Posted: 07:38:00 on 04-13-2006
B E A UTIFUL!

score one for the home team!

 

CPT FA-Lance       Posted: 20:42:00 on 04-13-2006
wow

 

PV Mirbat       Posted: 12:23:00 on 09-22-2006
Hi all,

I've been watching this topic very carefully, and apologies if posting this offends anyone.

I don't know if you realise but in the UK all airsofters NATIONWIDE are under threat, not just one state or county but the whole country!

First they took away our right to protect ourselves, now they want to take away our fun too!

If anyone is interested please check out the latest on the Violent Crime Reduction Bill (!!) at

www.associationofbritishairsofting.org or www.ukasgb.org

It looks as if we need to support one another once again!

Cheers!

 

Prv alpmco       Posted: 14:40:00 on 09-22-2006
Isn't Sen. Gary Siplin the one that wanted to make it a crime to expose below-the-waist underwear? Didn't he also co sponsor a 2 cent tax on toilet paper to help fund building sewers?

Yes, I'm late to the scene, can I presume this proposed bill is dead?

 

PV Mirbat       Posted: 14:55:00 on 09-22-2006
This message edited by Mirbat. 2006-09-22 14:56:00
I sincerely hope it is!

Latest news from the UK scene today!

Hurrah!

http://www.ai-mag.com/vcr.html

If the Florida debate is still that perhaps this can be of help.

 

PV Mirbat       Posted: 15:15:00 on 09-22-2006
PS If you guys have quashed it, grand job!

However, be aware that airsofters from all over the world will check this as guests; if it's gone then someone needs to shut down the post, or archive it.

Cheers!

 

CPT FA-Phillip       Posted: 17:29:00 on 09-22-2006
Yes, the bill(s) in question have been squashed. So this year Florida is still safe for ADULTS to play airsoft.

I am goign to lock the thread so it does become archived like the rest, and so that is isn't brought to the forefront f the page any further.

 

 


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